Preposterous! Utterly preposterous, and I loved every minute of it.
The Others taking out the commandos was awesome. So glad Smokey didn't finish the job. Sayid vs. Keamy was great. When Keamy was choking Sayid, I called that Ben was going to shoot him. It was Richard Alpert. Ripoff, I shouted! Ben needs to kill him! No one bothers to check Keamy's body. Ridiculous. Keamy finds the underground station but Locke couldn't. Inconceivable! But Ben gets to kill him so it's okay.
Penny's boat picks up the survivors. Ludicrous! But Penny and Desmond are reunited, so it's okay.
Is Sun really teaming up with Whidmore, or is she part of Ben's plan?
Is next season going to be Ben teaming up with the Oceanic 6? Looks that way.
Jin is still alive. I'm calling it now. Michael is toast. He got his redemption. But Jin needs to survive for two reasons... so he can be reunited with Sun, and so he can tell Walt that his Dad was a hero. Trust me. I took screenwriting in college.
So what happens to the guys in the raft, particularly that scientist guy (beardly)? He must have made it back to the island, or he second island, or was close enough to the island to make the trip.
So the redhead was on the island before... and possibly born there. Interesting.
How the hell are they going to convince Kate to go back with Aaron?
Do you think there's a need for flashbacks or flash forwards next season? They could just jump back and forth between the island and the Oceanic 6. Nah. There'll probably be some flashbacks.
Oh yeah... Locke is dead! I guess they'll bring him back to the island and he'll reanimate, like Christian Shepherd? I wonder if he could walk while he was off the island.
So why does the island want ALL of the Oceanic 6 to go back, but Ghost Claire tells Kate not to bring Aaron back. Is she still working for Christian Shepherd, or not?
It was cool, but honestly it was my least favorite of all the Lost finales so far.
Miles is quickly becoming my 2nd favorite character (after Sayid).
The Sayid/Keamy fight was great. It could have gone on for another ten minutes...maybe spilled into an alley where Roddy Piper hit them with a trash can.
Did they explain why Keamy's radio "dead man's trigger" didn't suffer the same time delay problems of the walkie-talkies? Had the boat moved closer to the island?
Not checking Keamy's body = lame.
Did all the people who had been boated off the island blow up on the ship? Bernard? Rose? Countless others? So that's it for them, then?
Is Locke's corpse going to get up and dance the jig when it gets back to the island, like Christian Shepherd? I hope not. It would cheapen the reveal from tonight's episode.
In the funeral home, Ben asked Jack if "he" had come to see him. I guess that means Jack was visited by Locke's ghost (again, like Christian Shepherd).
Sun is playing Whidmore. She's in the revenge business now.
I agree that Jin is alive for exactly the reasons Chairman listed...but, then again, they could accomplish the same dramatic goals with a ghost Jin.
So did Christian Shepherd recruit Michael onto his team of ghosts?
Do we know for sure that Claire is dead?
Anyone know what was said to Kate on the phone in her dream? It was either a backwards recording or German/Slavic. Didn't Walt appear to people during season 2 and talk backwards?
What if they move the island and it lands in Cleveland?
Penny & Des was a nice touch, but does anyone on that boat realize her dad is the one that sent those commandos?
Alpert's crew...are they the immortal survivors of the Black Rock? Their clothes are pretty much tattered rags, and they seem to have been on the island longer than anyone.
Does the icy compartment with the giant frozen wheel/lever finally explain why there were polars bears in season 1?
Does the island need Aaaron or not? I'm getting mixed signals.
How many seasons are left? I hope they keep Jack a dope fiend for the duration...
Jin and Sun - I think Jin could have survived and picked up by Daniel, but where would they be on island or off island? Why would Jin play dead off island for 3 years and not try to find Sun. If he's alive he must have made it back to the island. Is Sun going to bring her 3 year old baby to the island? Maybe Adam and Eve is Aaron and Ji Yeon.
Claire and Aaron - I think she's dead, but she's probably not dead. How else do you pay off bringing aaron back to the island and the reveal that she's Jack's sister. Also do you really want to film with a 3 year old all season when they do get back to the island? If the island even wanted aaron, it could have had it when the dad took Claire.
Michael and Walt - I say Michael is toast too. I don't know where else you can go with that character. As for Walt, I guess they will never explain why he's special, if he ever was. Why didn't Ben lump Walt into the group of people who must go back? Also where the hell is Vincent. Maybe Vincent gets mad that he's left behind, goes rabid and infects everyone with Rabies. Jack left Vincent behind and Juliet couldn't save the people from the rabies because she's not a real doctor so Locke blames him for all the mess that has happened on the island. That's why he wants Jack to come back!
Desmond - I guess we just wait until Ben kills Penelope and Desmond comes back as Rambo.
Ben and Widmore - Did you catch that Ben was dressed in all black at the end. Same as when he visited Widmore. I still say Ben is evil and Widmore is good. I still say Libby is connected to Widmore.
My new conclusion is the Island is evil. We're constantly told the island is this miraculous place that heals people and you get redemption, but in the end, its fickle and ruins people's lives. I think ultimately it needs to be destroyed. Also I think the ghosts are not all from one side. I think there are two warring supernatural factions on the island that send mixed signals to the characters and they can appear as the same characters.
I hated the deux ex machina frozen wheel. I think all Dharma Initiative experiments are just red herrings. I think they did do weather control, life extension through monkeys and polar bears, time travel, teleportation and psychic stuff, but its all still red herrings in the story.
Libby connected with Whidmore (is it Whit or Whid?)... I like that. It fixes one on my biggest story contrivances... that Libby just happens to show up at a Starbucks where Desmond is and gives him a boat. C'mon. Time traveling bunnies I can buy, but that? No way.
Someone online theorized that the Polar Bears were trained to turn the frozen wheel. That would explain why Red found Polar Bear remains in the desert. Polar Bears can withstand the cold. The room is cold. It all fits.
"Hold on there, Kenny Rogers." Classic.
There are still plenty of red shirts on the island, plus Rose and Bernhard. They didn't get off the island. And I'm assuming Beardly (I have to learn these names) and his boat of red shirts will pick up Jin and make it back to the island. There were only a handful of scrubs on the boat with Jin and Michael.
Good point about Daniel. He definitely knew something was going to happen. I'm confused when it comes to him. Wasn't he involved in time experiments? Is it possible he's seen all of this before, but with that memory problem of his, he can't remember? I don't think we have enough pieces of his puzzle yet.
Yeah Daniel is weird. He was crying about 815 but didn't know why when we were first introduced to him.
I don't think Daniel can go back to the island. I re-watched it and he saw the flash of light as the island disappeared from within his boat. If Jin survived, I still don't buy that he would be in hiding from his wife and child that he knows is alive.
Plus I read an interview with one of the cast and that person is talking smack and is so not happy about not returning to Lost. Ouch!
I wouldn't put too much stock in the "talking smack" thing. (Battlestar Galactica spoilers to follow)... Katee Sackoff (Starbuck on Galactica) did the same thing when she was written out and it was all an act. She came back a few episodes later.
the more i think about it, the more some inconsistancies are bothering me...
didn't desmond's vision of the future, the one that charlie died for, involve clare getting on a 'copter with aaron? so is this still going to happen at some point, or did charlie die for nothing?
wasn't aaron supposed to be REALLY important to the island in seasons 1&2? didn't the psychic make sure clare was on flight 815 and insist that she raise the child? didn't aaron's father's painting mysteriously end up in the hatch with desomnd? so why is kate having dreams where clare says "you better not bring him back"?
and, not for nothing, but if the show ends up being mainly about the jack/kate/sawyer love triangle or the redemption(s) of any characters, while the time travel and magical healing properties of the island are red herrings, i'll be pissed.
I wouldn't worry about all of that Claire stuff. These producers are so good at this now... I don't think they've forgotten what they wrote. They're messing with us.
Claire will definitely end up on a helicopter at some point. That's why she can't be dead. Either that, or maybe it will be revealed that the future actually CAN be changed... despite what that old lady in the jewelry shop told Desmond.
I thought we already came to the conclusion that the future can get changed. Ben: "He changed the rules" Ben obviously thought his daughter was safe, we think because he saw the future.
I think that was just MY conclusion about what Ben meant. Others are saying that Ben and Whidmore had a pact that they wouldn't harm family members, so killing his daughter had "changed the rules". I like my theory better ;)
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Preposterous! Utterly preposterous, and I loved every minute of it.
The Others taking out the commandos was awesome. So glad Smokey didn't finish the job. Sayid vs. Keamy was great. When Keamy was choking Sayid, I called that Ben was going to shoot him. It was Richard Alpert. Ripoff, I shouted! Ben needs to kill him! No one bothers to check Keamy's body. Ridiculous. Keamy finds the underground station but Locke couldn't. Inconceivable! But Ben gets to kill him so it's okay.
Penny's boat picks up the survivors. Ludicrous! But Penny and Desmond are reunited, so it's okay.
Is Sun really teaming up with Whidmore, or is she part of Ben's plan?
Is next season going to be Ben teaming up with the Oceanic 6? Looks that way.
Jin is still alive. I'm calling it now. Michael is toast. He got his redemption. But Jin needs to survive for two reasons... so he can be reunited with Sun, and so he can tell Walt that his Dad was a hero. Trust me. I took screenwriting in college.
So what happens to the guys in the raft, particularly that scientist guy (beardly)? He must have made it back to the island, or he second island, or was close enough to the island to make the trip.
So the redhead was on the island before... and possibly born there. Interesting.
How the hell are they going to convince Kate to go back with Aaron?
Do you think there's a need for flashbacks or flash forwards next season? They could just jump back and forth between the island and the Oceanic 6. Nah. There'll probably be some flashbacks.
What did I miss?
Oh yeah... Locke is dead! I guess they'll bring him back to the island and he'll reanimate, like Christian Shepherd? I wonder if he could walk while he was off the island.
So why does the island want ALL of the Oceanic 6 to go back, but Ghost Claire tells Kate not to bring Aaron back. Is she still working for Christian Shepherd, or not?
It was cool, but honestly it was my least favorite of all the Lost finales so far.
Miles is quickly becoming my 2nd favorite character (after Sayid).
The Sayid/Keamy fight was great. It could have gone on for another ten minutes...maybe spilled into an alley where Roddy Piper hit them with a trash can.
Did they explain why Keamy's radio "dead man's trigger" didn't suffer the same time delay problems of the walkie-talkies? Had the boat moved closer to the island?
Not checking Keamy's body = lame.
Did all the people who had been boated off the island blow up on the ship? Bernard? Rose? Countless others? So that's it for them, then?
Is Locke's corpse going to get up and dance the jig when it gets back to the island, like Christian Shepherd? I hope not. It would cheapen the reveal from tonight's episode.
In the funeral home, Ben asked Jack if "he" had come to see him. I guess that means Jack was visited by Locke's ghost (again, like Christian Shepherd).
Sun is playing Whidmore. She's in the revenge business now.
I agree that Jin is alive for exactly the reasons Chairman listed...but, then again, they could accomplish the same dramatic goals with a ghost Jin.
So did Christian Shepherd recruit Michael onto his team of ghosts?
Do we know for sure that Claire is dead?
Anyone know what was said to Kate on the phone in her dream? It was either a backwards recording or German/Slavic. Didn't Walt appear to people during season 2 and talk backwards?
What if they move the island and it lands in Cleveland?
Penny & Des was a nice touch, but does anyone on that boat realize her dad is the one that sent those commandos?
Alpert's crew...are they the immortal survivors of the Black Rock? Their clothes are pretty much tattered rags, and they seem to have been on the island longer than anyone.
Does the icy compartment with the giant frozen wheel/lever finally explain why there were polars bears in season 1?
Does the island need Aaaron or not? I'm getting mixed signals.
How many seasons are left? I hope they keep Jack a dope fiend for the duration...
Jin and Sun - I think Jin could have survived and picked up by Daniel, but where would they be on island or off island? Why would Jin play dead off island for 3 years and not try to find Sun. If he's alive he must have made it back to the island. Is Sun going to bring her 3 year old baby to the island? Maybe Adam and Eve is Aaron and Ji Yeon.
Claire and Aaron - I think she's dead, but she's probably not dead. How else do you pay off bringing aaron back to the island and the reveal that she's Jack's sister. Also do you really want to film with a 3 year old all season when they do get back to the island? If the island even wanted aaron, it could have had it when the dad took Claire.
Michael and Walt - I say Michael is toast too. I don't know where else you can go with that character. As for Walt, I guess they will never explain why he's special, if he ever was. Why didn't Ben lump Walt into the group of people who must go back? Also where the hell is Vincent. Maybe Vincent gets mad that he's left behind, goes rabid and infects everyone with Rabies. Jack left Vincent behind and Juliet couldn't save the people from the rabies because she's not a real doctor so Locke blames him for all the mess that has happened on the island. That's why he wants Jack to come back!
Desmond - I guess we just wait until Ben kills Penelope and Desmond comes back as Rambo.
Ben and Widmore - Did you catch that Ben was dressed in all black at the end. Same as when he visited Widmore. I still say Ben is evil and Widmore is good. I still say Libby is connected to Widmore.
My new conclusion is the Island is evil. We're constantly told the island is this miraculous place that heals people and you get redemption, but in the end, its fickle and ruins people's lives. I think ultimately it needs to be destroyed. Also I think the ghosts are not all from one side. I think there are two warring supernatural factions on the island that send mixed signals to the characters and they can appear as the same characters.
I hated the deux ex machina frozen wheel. I think all Dharma Initiative experiments are just red herrings. I think they did do weather control, life extension through monkeys and polar bears, time travel, teleportation and psychic stuff, but its all still red herrings in the story.
Libby connected with Whidmore (is it Whit or Whid?)... I like that. It fixes one on my biggest story contrivances... that Libby just happens to show up at a Starbucks where Desmond is and gives him a boat. C'mon. Time traveling bunnies I can buy, but that? No way.
Someone online theorized that the Polar Bears were trained to turn the frozen wheel. That would explain why Red found Polar Bear remains in the desert. Polar Bears can withstand the cold. The room is cold. It all fits.
"Hold on there, Kenny Rogers." Classic.
There are still plenty of red shirts on the island, plus Rose and Bernhard. They didn't get off the island. And I'm assuming Beardly (I have to learn these names) and his boat of red shirts will pick up Jin and make it back to the island. There were only a handful of scrubs on the boat with Jin and Michael.
How did Daniel (beardly) know that the island was going to move? Did we miss something or was that not explained?
Good point about Daniel. He definitely knew something was going to happen. I'm confused when it comes to him. Wasn't he involved in time experiments? Is it possible he's seen all of this before, but with that memory problem of his, he can't remember? I don't think we have enough pieces of his puzzle yet.
Yeah Daniel is weird. He was crying about 815 but didn't know why when we were first introduced to him.
I don't think Daniel can go back to the island. I re-watched it and he saw the flash of light as the island disappeared from within his boat. If Jin survived, I still don't buy that he would be in hiding from his wife and child that he knows is alive.
Plus I read an interview with one of the cast and that person is talking smack and is so not happy about not returning to Lost. Ouch!
I wouldn't put too much stock in the "talking smack" thing. (Battlestar Galactica spoilers to follow)... Katee Sackoff (Starbuck on Galactica) did the same thing when she was written out and it was all an act. She came back a few episodes later.
the more i think about it, the more some inconsistancies are bothering me...
didn't desmond's vision of the future, the one that charlie died for, involve clare getting on a 'copter with aaron? so is this still going to happen at some point, or did charlie die for nothing?
wasn't aaron supposed to be REALLY important to the island in seasons 1&2? didn't the psychic make sure clare was on flight 815 and insist that she raise the child? didn't aaron's father's painting mysteriously end up in the hatch with desomnd? so why is kate having dreams where clare says "you better not bring him back"?
and, not for nothing, but if the show ends up being mainly about the jack/kate/sawyer love triangle or the redemption(s) of any characters, while the time travel and magical healing properties of the island are red herrings, i'll be pissed.
I wouldn't worry about all of that Claire stuff. These producers are so good at this now... I don't think they've forgotten what they wrote. They're messing with us.
Claire will definitely end up on a helicopter at some point. That's why she can't be dead. Either that, or maybe it will be revealed that the future actually CAN be changed... despite what that old lady in the jewelry shop told Desmond.
I thought we already came to the conclusion that the future can get changed. Ben: "He changed the rules" Ben obviously thought his daughter was safe, we think because he saw the future.
I think that was just MY conclusion about what Ben meant. Others are saying that Ben and Whidmore had a pact that they wouldn't harm family members, so killing his daughter had "changed the rules". I like my theory better ;)
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