Let's start with smokey. Most of us figured that smokey could take form and appear as people, and now we know. All last Season, smokey was Locke. I remember a scene last season where smokey showed up, and as soon as he vanished, Locke came out of the woods. That's when I was sure that Locke was dead and smokey was appearing as him.
We learned so much about Richard. He (and his people) must be from the Black Rock. When evil Locke said "you look good out of your chains", it made me thik that Richard must have been a slave. I seem to remember that the Black Rock was a slave ship, but I'm not sure if that's fact or not. Richard, and presumably his fellow temple dwellers are ageless because of that water. And we finally know why he appeared to Ben with long hair and in rags. That seems to be the temple fashion. He must clean up to mingle with the others.
The flashes to life on the plane were confusing at first. I'm assuming that this will happen all year, and show us what would have happened if the plane had never crashed. Or maybe it's some kind of altered timeline thing where this is really happening in another reality. Who knows. Regardless, it's way cool. These guys are geniuses. I'm more interested in these flash sideways(?) than I ever was about the flashbacks or forwards.
I thought Sayid was really dead. Well done. I thought Juliet was going to live. Well done again, but kind of cheap. What did she mean by, "It worked"? The exploding of the bomb worked? How could she know. Just before she died, did she pop into her alternate body? I seem to recall her calling Sawyer by the wrong name, but it's just dawning on me that it was important. I should watch that part again.
We finally learn what happened to that stewardess. And weren't those 2 kids at the temple from the rear section of the Oceanic flight?
All the cameos from former cast members was great. They can bring anyone back now. Very cool. Maybe we'll finally learn more about Libby's story. Probably won't be seeing much of Walt though.
How about when that guy surrounded himself with the circle of powder. Obviously, that keeps smokey away, which I think we all guessed. Remember the first time we saw that powder circle was around the cabin. I guess the guy in the cabin was Jacob all along, or at least is an ally of Jacob. Or maybe not. Was that powder circle broken when we saw it? I don't remember.
When smokey says he wants to "go home", where do you think home is? Does he want to leave the island and cause havoc on the Earth? Very mythological.
Did you catch the Dharma tatooed shark swimming around the sunken island?
Was that really Desmond on the plane? Could have been. If the island sinks when the bomb goes off, then Desmond never finds it and never has to push the button. Maybe he coincidentally ends up on that flight. Stranger coincidences have happened in this show.
Did anyone recognize the voice of the pilot? I recognized it as Greg Grunberg's voice, the actor who played the pilot who gets killed by the smoke monster in the first episode. So many cool little things like that in this episode.
Been doing some reading. Someone said that the ash circle around the cabin was keeping something IN. Don't know if that makes sense. We saw plenty of smokey running around the island. But maybe it was smokey manipulating Ben all along. And didn't evil Locke (smokey) know exactly where the cabin was? Why did he want to travel there? Was he looking for Jacob? Can't remember.
Okay, here's a thought. Why was the water brown? Was it because Jacob was actually in the water now? And when Sayid went in, he inhabited Sayid? Why else would Jacob need Sayid brought there so badly? This was Jacob's loophole.
Seems like we're following two divergent timelines/realities...one where the island blew up in 1977, & one where it didn't. I guess we have to assume both are real, though Juliet's ghost saying "It worked" seems to indicate that the island timeline/reality is possibly false. Would that mean Juliet's consciousness has access to multiple realities upon dying, or did her "death" just wake her up from some kind of Descartesian "brain in a vat" experience. Hopefully it's not the latter, since that premise has been done in everything from Trek's holodeck to The Matrix...
I like how the door is still open for either a supernatural or a super-technological explanation of the island. Are Jacob & Smokey some kind of gods, or is the island a spaceship...or both?
Does the brown water and/or Jacob's death mean that Richard & his people are no longer immortal? I hope your wrong about Jacob inhabiting Sayid's body. I like Sayid's character, so I'd prefer Jacob to hang around as Hurley's ghost buddy.
My initial thought about Jack opening his shirt in the plane's bathroom was "radiation poisoning," but when it turned out to be just a small cut I was flummoxed.
I agree that I'd rather not have Sayid possessed by anyone. I still don't like the fact that Locke was dead all of last season and that was evil Locke all along. Kind of a sucky ending for Locke's arc. Hopefully, it's not really the end for him.
So why did smokey (evil Locke) beat the crap out of Richard and drape him over his shoulder?
I think that Sayid is now Jacob. When Ben killed Jacob and Smokey pushed him into the fire, his body almost instantly vanished afterward. When Ben is sitting looking at the fire all sad, the body is gone. Now I am not expert but I would think that the bones would at least still be in the fire. I think that when Jacob died, he inhabited that water and went into Sayid's body.
The circle of powder was not broken when we first saw it, but it was broken when Jacob's little army showed up and found it empty. Which is why they freaked out and torched the place. Now regarding the cabin, we have seen Christian and Claire in there, that is about it...so if Smokey takes the form of dead people, I would have to assume that was Smokey's house. Maybe when he was in that house, Smokey was under control, because Ben could summon him at will.
Home for Smokey could be Hell/Hades/Underworld, whatever you want to call it. It is apparent that Jacob was good and believed that mankind was good natured, so he would be the equivalent to God. Whereas Smokey believes that man is evil and will always kill (sin) so he is Satan. Something happened long ago and this war started between good and evil which the Gods to be stuck in their Earthly bodies until the war ends and now Smokey wants to go home, he thinks he won.
I liked the Dharma shark, but I wish they spent a little more time on the CGI, I felt like I was watching Saturday morning cartoons, the quality was pretty bad.
I don't know if Desmond really was on the plane. I think Jack has some faint recollection of the island when he is on the plane. I think he envisioned Desmond on the plane, he was drinking quite a bit. The fact the nobody else saw Desmond and he is nowhere to be seen after Charlie tries to commit suicide. Which reminds me that Desmond kept trying to save Charlie from dying, not sure if there is something to that or not...
I also kind of think that the events of the island are going to get played out again, the whole "you can't change the past" thing. Kate ran into Sawyer and Jack and they were all smiles and flirty...Charlie has to die, or "he's supposed to die" as he said it...Kate is in the car with Claire, Claire's going to end up having the baby in the taxi then die in childbirth and Kate will feel bad and take Aaron...
Who else thinks that Christians coffin disappeared over the island in flight? Oceanic has no idea where it is, there was all that turbulence...I can't be the only one thinking this.
Also where the heck is Boone's sister? She was on the island, which means she was on the flight, but here we are on the flight and she is no where to be seen...what's up with that?
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Let's start with smokey. Most of us figured that smokey could take form and appear as people, and now we know. All last Season, smokey was Locke. I remember a scene last season where smokey showed up, and as soon as he vanished, Locke came out of the woods. That's when I was sure that Locke was dead and smokey was appearing as him.
We learned so much about Richard. He (and his people) must be from the Black Rock. When evil Locke said "you look good out of your chains", it made me thik that Richard must have been a slave. I seem to remember that the Black Rock was a slave ship, but I'm not sure if that's fact or not. Richard, and presumably his fellow temple dwellers are ageless because of that water. And we finally know why he appeared to Ben with long hair and in rags. That seems to be the temple fashion. He must clean up to mingle with the others.
The flashes to life on the plane were confusing at first. I'm assuming that this will happen all year, and show us what would have happened if the plane had never crashed. Or maybe it's some kind of altered timeline thing where this is really happening in another reality. Who knows. Regardless, it's way cool. These guys are geniuses. I'm more interested in these flash sideways(?) than I ever was about the flashbacks or forwards.
I thought Sayid was really dead. Well done. I thought Juliet was going to live. Well done again, but kind of cheap. What did she mean by, "It worked"? The exploding of the bomb worked? How could she know. Just before she died, did she pop into her alternate body? I seem to recall her calling Sawyer by the wrong name, but it's just dawning on me that it was important. I should watch that part again.
We finally learn what happened to that stewardess. And weren't those 2 kids at the temple from the rear section of the Oceanic flight?
All the cameos from former cast members was great. They can bring anyone back now. Very cool. Maybe we'll finally learn more about Libby's story. Probably won't be seeing much of Walt though.
How about when that guy surrounded himself with the circle of powder. Obviously, that keeps smokey away, which I think we all guessed. Remember the first time we saw that powder circle was around the cabin. I guess the guy in the cabin was Jacob all along, or at least is an ally of Jacob. Or maybe not. Was that powder circle broken when we saw it? I don't remember.
When smokey says he wants to "go home", where do you think home is? Does he want to leave the island and cause havoc on the Earth? Very mythological.
Did you catch the Dharma tatooed shark swimming around the sunken island?
Was that really Desmond on the plane? Could have been. If the island sinks when the bomb goes off, then Desmond never finds it and never has to push the button. Maybe he coincidentally ends up on that flight. Stranger coincidences have happened in this show.
Did anyone recognize the voice of the pilot? I recognized it as Greg Grunberg's voice, the actor who played the pilot who gets killed by the smoke monster in the first episode. So many cool little things like that in this episode.
Anything else?
Been doing some reading. Someone said that the ash circle around the cabin was keeping something IN. Don't know if that makes sense. We saw plenty of smokey running around the island. But maybe it was smokey manipulating Ben all along. And didn't evil Locke (smokey) know exactly where the cabin was? Why did he want to travel there? Was he looking for Jacob? Can't remember.
Okay, here's a thought. Why was the water brown? Was it because Jacob was actually in the water now? And when Sayid went in, he inhabited Sayid? Why else would Jacob need Sayid brought there so badly? This was Jacob's loophole.
Hey, what was the blood on Jack's neck in the airplane bathroom?
Seems like we're following two divergent timelines/realities...one where the island blew up in 1977, & one where it didn't. I guess we have to assume both are real, though Juliet's ghost saying "It worked" seems to indicate that the island timeline/reality is possibly false. Would that mean Juliet's consciousness has access to multiple realities upon dying, or did her "death" just wake her up from some kind of Descartesian "brain in a vat" experience. Hopefully it's not the latter, since that premise has been done in everything from Trek's holodeck to The Matrix...
I like how the door is still open for either a supernatural or a super-technological explanation of the island. Are Jacob & Smokey some kind of gods, or is the island a spaceship...or both?
Does the brown water and/or Jacob's death mean that Richard & his people are no longer immortal? I hope your wrong about Jacob inhabiting Sayid's body. I like Sayid's character, so I'd prefer Jacob to hang around as Hurley's ghost buddy.
My initial thought about Jack opening his shirt in the plane's bathroom was "radiation poisoning," but when it turned out to be just a small cut I was flummoxed.
I agree that I'd rather not have Sayid possessed by anyone. I still don't like the fact that Locke was dead all of last season and that was evil Locke all along. Kind of a sucky ending for Locke's arc. Hopefully, it's not really the end for him.
So why did smokey (evil Locke) beat the crap out of Richard and drape him over his shoulder?
I think that Sayid is now Jacob. When Ben killed Jacob and Smokey pushed him into the fire, his body almost instantly vanished afterward. When Ben is sitting looking at the fire all sad, the body is gone. Now I am not expert but I would think that the bones would at least still be in the fire. I think that when Jacob died, he inhabited that water and went into Sayid's body.
The circle of powder was not broken when we first saw it, but it was broken when Jacob's little army showed up and found it empty. Which is why they freaked out and torched the place. Now regarding the cabin, we have seen Christian and Claire in there, that is about it...so if Smokey takes the form of dead people, I would have to assume that was Smokey's house. Maybe when he was in that house, Smokey was under control, because Ben could summon him at will.
Home for Smokey could be Hell/Hades/Underworld, whatever you want to call it. It is apparent that Jacob was good and believed that mankind was good natured, so he would be the equivalent to God. Whereas Smokey believes that man is evil and will always kill (sin) so he is Satan. Something happened long ago and this war started between good and evil which the Gods to be stuck in their Earthly bodies until the war ends and now Smokey wants to go home, he thinks he won.
I liked the Dharma shark, but I wish they spent a little more time on the CGI, I felt like I was watching Saturday morning cartoons, the quality was pretty bad.
I don't know if Desmond really was on the plane. I think Jack has some faint recollection of the island when he is on the plane. I think he envisioned Desmond on the plane, he was drinking quite a bit. The fact the nobody else saw Desmond and he is nowhere to be seen after Charlie tries to commit suicide. Which reminds me that Desmond kept trying to save Charlie from dying, not sure if there is something to that or not...
I also kind of think that the events of the island are going to get played out again, the whole "you can't change the past" thing. Kate ran into Sawyer and Jack and they were all smiles and flirty...Charlie has to die, or "he's supposed to die" as he said it...Kate is in the car with Claire, Claire's going to end up having the baby in the taxi then die in childbirth and Kate will feel bad and take Aaron...
Who else thinks that Christians coffin disappeared over the island in flight? Oceanic has no idea where it is, there was all that turbulence...I can't be the only one thinking this.
Also where the heck is Boone's sister? She was on the island, which means she was on the flight, but here we are on the flight and she is no where to be seen...what's up with that?
Sean, good point about the coffin! I didn't think of that. I wonder if it's at the bottom of the sea!
I think Evil Locke knocked out Richard because he's going to try to use him to gain access to the temple. Maybe the temple is "home".
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