What did you not like about it? I thought it was interesting...but I wasn't happy or unhappy with it. It was alright. I think it was a cool (but stupid on the writers part) twist that they showed the future. It shows that they do get off the island, and in the same regard, whats the point of watching anymore?
Ok, I liked it. More than Heroes, but less than Galactica.
I figured out the twist ending about halfway through, when Jack was at the funeral parlor. Something about that Nirvana song was conspicuous. Maybe it was just jarring to hear a familiar rock song juxtaposed with the scored music which had been so brilliant…
Seeing the maps spread all over the floor at his apartment solidified it.
What was with Kate’s face? Was there an effect in use to make her look aged? I thought she looked kind of cartoony…
Did Charlie need to die, or was he just convinced by Des that he needed to die to save Claire?
At first I was pissed that Bernard, Sayid, and Jin had been spared. Don’t get me wrong, Sayid is my favorite. But it just seemed a bit contrived. Then Sayid killed that guy with his legs, and it was worth it.
We all knew there was a “game changer” coming, and they certainly delivered on that…but, for me, the heart of the show is the island. I was more interested in finding out the island’s mysteries than having the writers throw the knuckle-change after weeks of fastballs… I figured we wouldn’t get any Jacob answers until next season, but I thought we’d get at least some closure with the Locke/Ben/Others arc. And Richard.
It was always kind of annoying when the flashbacks took time away from what was happening on the island. It will be even worse if the bulk of the show is in the U.S. and we only get island action in flashbacks.
But now that we know they get off the island, the writers need to give us a big reason to watch for three more years beyond doling out the island’s mysteries in dribs and drabs.
Ok, so who was in the casket? “Friend or family,” and Jack said “Neither.” Ben? Sawyer? Locke?
Who was the “he” waiting for Kate? Sawyer? Her step dad? Her son?
Who was Naomi working for? Dharma? Were they the bad guys the whole time? If nobody could get to the island, where did the food drops come from last season?
Are the writers winging it? Does JJ Abrams have anything to do with this show anymore?
I just remembered something. When Jack is in the hospital...after stealing the Oxycodone trials, he says "Call my father down here right now, if I'm drunker than he is, you can fire me." Are we to assume that his father is alive? Did the Island resurrect his father? Or it may something as simple as Jack losing it.
i'm a big fan of the "christian shepheard lives" theory, but only on the island. jack screaming about his dad in that hospital is a sign that's he's losing (lost?) it. but maybe he saw his father alive on the island (jacob?) and that is why he's confused (well, that and the pills).
btw: i rewatched some of the finale after my initial post. i'm not sure if jack says "neither" or "either" in the funeral parlor, so it could be ANYBODY in that casket.
also, after speaking with some coworkers, i don't think walt was really there. that was just one of those kooky island (jacob?) manifestations...
Well this season proves A) they are winging it and B) JJ was virtually never part of the show except for 2 episodes that he helped write.
I'm more on the plus then the negative side of this, mostly because Lost has hit such a rock bottom for me, almost anything has to be an improvement.
I knew for the very first moment that the flashback was a flash forward. One of is first words to the cell phone was "Kate" and he clearly didn't know her from the past. I actually thought Kate looked airbrushed, so she actually looked younger rather then older.
Although we didn't get any island reveals which I never expected, we do get some Others closure, which I was fully expecting. I either expected the others to take the lostees or the lostees to kill the others. Outside of Richard, Ben and Juliet, all the Others we knew of are now gone, Klugh, Mikail, Tom.
What I loved... Hurley rescue, Sayid as Jack Bauer, Charlie payoff, "That's for taking the boy", Danielle and Alex reunion.
What I disliked... Jack's acting though his freak out on Ben and Tom was fun. New flash forward mysteries... cause clearly the writers are running out of steam with people's backstories. Locke v Jack (c'mon Locke should have had the balls, I mean for godsakes he just murdered this woman he's never met in cold blood for holding a satellite phone... jack's got more on locke then she ever had... plus it would have relieved us of the misery of 3 jack backstories to every 1 for everyone else)
New Mysteries... Jack goes crazy Rush Limbaugh style and thinks his daddy is alive... or his dad is actually alive... Who is in the casket? I think you can add Michael to the list for that one and take out Sawyer (Kate's not that big of a bitch) but most likely Locke I'm guessing, who else would make Jack pull over and want to commit suicide over his decision to leave the island. well i guess ben but my hopes are his cold dead body never leaves the island. Who is Sarah's new hubby? Claire's ex who knocked her up making Sarah's kid and Claire's related?
What I expect to happen... either we start off island our real time with showing everyone's quest to get back which I think is not likely because the star of the show is the island, or like i said, role reversal is going to start to take place as invaders come and Lostees have to defend the island which will make the flash forwards not make sense. Either way, its going to be a rough course for the show.
I thought the episode was AWESOME! I was on the edge of my seat the entire time. I never doubted for a moment that any one of these people could be killed. It was a real thriller for me.
Loved...
Jack's acting! I don't know why Silas and I are at odds on this, but I thought he ruled. So glad he didn't die. Loved Dark Sawyer, Hurley with the VW, "(sigh) Alex, this is your Mother", Sayid's finishing move, Walt, the look on Rousseau's face after she punched Ben... I could go on.
I only disliked 2 things in the episode. They are minor.
Why does Locke feel it's necessary to knife a seemingly innocent girl in the back, but can't kill the con man who stole his kidney and paralyzed him? More about this later.
After we find out that Sayid, Bernard and Jin are still alive, we learn that Henchman #1 made the decision not to shoot, and Tom was saying that they should have killed them. I thought it should have been the other way around. Those 7 dead men were Henchman #1's best men. They should have reversed the dialog, but no biggie.
So why am I pissed? Not one frakkin' answer. I'm not one of those answer freaks either... I fully understand that they will be revealed when the time is right. But the time was right last night to reveal who was in the goddamn boat. Was Ben telling the truth? Was there a point in Locke killing that girl in cold blood when he could have easily hit her in the leg, or god forbid shouted "she's a phoney"? We needed to know that immediately. Now we have to go on thinking that Locke is a complete and utter asshole for the next 7 months. All I needed was a quick shot of a guy on the boat twirling his mustache with a sinister laugh. Okay, maybe it's not that easy. Maybe it's part of next year's story that we don't quite know if they're Dharma or not. Fine. Throw me a bone. Show me who's in the casket. ANYTHING!
Part of the problem may be that my wife IMMEDIATELY knew the flashback was in the future. Don't know how she did it. Jack is sitting on the plane, it hits a turbulent, Jack seems disturbed by it, and Stef knows it's in the future. Nice. So the big twist at the end was lost on me. Is that why I feel cheated?
The ratio of questions to answers is so out of proportion now, it's ridiculous. They need to adjust this formula immediately. Of course, I'm not going anywhere. They have me hooked. If I'm still watching that steaming pile of dung called The Sopranos because I feel I'm invested in it, then Lost is going to have to get "Alias" bad before I bail.
i thought jack's acting was great. i was calling him "clooney morrison"...
sayid's finishing move was awesome, though i was hoping he was going to rip his shirt into a headband and cut up some others...
sayid: "i'm afraid your friends won't be joining you"
ben: "what's in the bag?"
sayid: "their balls"
so we all kind of figured (or at least i did) that the episode would result in the losties either getting off the island or becoming the new others, or both. so for this to be the "big twist" while not giving us ANY answers as to the nature of the island... that just sucks. so i felt cheated as well...
i have to wonder if the writers even know where this is going, or if they're going to spend the next 6 months figuring it out.
regardless, they need to pull it all together. this show is at a crossroads. if they deliver with a great season 3-6, the show will go down as one of the best ever. if they blow it, it'll be remembered as notoriously bad, and that's the end of the networks allowing this kind of multiple season geekery without meddling...
here's to hoping "clooney morrison" doesn't go down as lost's "jump the shark" episode...
but you gotta admire their balls, changing the format of the show midstream. very bold.
And I'm not sure you can end the series with Jack in the state he's in. That was some pretty dark stuff (along with Sawyer). I loved it, but I definitely think they'll have to move forward from Jack's flash forward toward some sort of semi-happy ending.
A lot of people are saying online that they think the show will now do flash forwards instead of flashbacks. I love that idea. I hope that's what happens, but they sprinkle in some necessary flashbacks as well (Ben, Dharma stuff, etc.). It gives them some nice flexibility.
So many new questions, and you now, I don't even feel like thinking about them. It's overload. And they haven't given us enough clues to figure them out... who's in the coffin, why did Jack say he was tired of lying, why does Jack want to go back... maybe Jack left his lucky gun on the island and can't live without it... the answers could be anything. Oh well. Still looking forward to next season, but with a little apprehension.
I got the impression that Jack was tired of lying about not knowing about the island. My impression is the new Dharma saves them and gives them the all you can eat Oceanic plane tickets.
I think after leaving the island, Jack loses the drive to save people like he had, but at the same time that is the part of him that kept him from committing suicide. He said he felt nothing for the people on the plane and he wished it would crash. He wants to feel needed again.
I think we're led to believe after coming back, Jack finds he truly has no one to come back to now that Sarah is gone, Kate has moved on, etc. I think we're led to believe the other survivors experience the same thing as no one visits the body in the funeral parlor.
You know for a split second when the finale started, I was worried we were going to see a parallel universe thing. Like we were going to see why there is another Flt 815 with no survivors. SO glad that didn't happen.
You know... there's been a lot of talk about the 815ers becoming the new "Others". We still don't really know why the Others are on that island. Maybe it's because they crashed here (the Black Rock), were rescued, and realized they had no one back in the real world. They came back to the island and have protected it ever since. Maybe that's what the 815ers will experience. Two flaws in this theory... if the crew of the Black Rock were to be rescued, they'd have some explaining to do about their ages... unless they claim to be their descendants. The other flaw is that this is the exact plot of Rescue from Gilligan's Island. Let's hope Gilligan and the Skipper aren't a major influence on this show.
There's been a lot of speculation over who Jack rescued from the car crash on the bridge. Silly me thought it was just a random person. I've heard theories that it was Juliet's sister and her son, Claire and Aaron... but the one I like best is that it was the woman that Sawyer conned and who was pregnant with his child.
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What did you not like about it? I thought it was interesting...but I wasn't happy or unhappy with it. It was alright. I think it was a cool (but stupid on the writers part) twist that they showed the future. It shows that they do get off the island, and in the same regard, whats the point of watching anymore?
Ok, I liked it. More than Heroes, but less than Galactica.
I figured out the twist ending about halfway through, when Jack was at the funeral parlor. Something about that Nirvana song was conspicuous. Maybe it was just jarring to hear a familiar rock song juxtaposed with the scored music which had been so brilliant…
Seeing the maps spread all over the floor at his apartment solidified it.
What was with Kate’s face? Was there an effect in use to make her look aged? I thought she looked kind of cartoony…
Did Charlie need to die, or was he just convinced by Des that he needed to die to save Claire?
At first I was pissed that Bernard, Sayid, and Jin had been spared. Don’t get me wrong, Sayid is my favorite. But it just seemed a bit contrived. Then Sayid killed that guy with his legs, and it was worth it.
We all knew there was a “game changer” coming, and they certainly delivered on that…but, for me, the heart of the show is the island. I was more interested in finding out the island’s mysteries than having the writers throw the knuckle-change after weeks of fastballs… I figured we wouldn’t get any Jacob answers until next season, but I thought we’d get at least some closure with the Locke/Ben/Others arc. And Richard.
It was always kind of annoying when the flashbacks took time away from what was happening on the island. It will be even worse if the bulk of the show is in the U.S. and we only get island action in flashbacks.
But now that we know they get off the island, the writers need to give us a big reason to watch for three more years beyond doling out the island’s mysteries in dribs and drabs.
Ok, so who was in the casket? “Friend or family,” and Jack said “Neither.” Ben? Sawyer? Locke?
Who was the “he” waiting for Kate? Sawyer? Her step dad? Her son?
Who was Naomi working for? Dharma? Were they the bad guys the whole time? If nobody could get to the island, where did the food drops come from last season?
Are the writers winging it? Does JJ Abrams have anything to do with this show anymore?
Hello?
I just remembered something. When Jack is in the hospital...after stealing the Oxycodone trials, he says "Call my father down here right now, if I'm drunker than he is, you can fire me." Are we to assume that his father is alive? Did the Island resurrect his father? Or it may something as simple as Jack losing it.
i'm a big fan of the "christian shepheard lives" theory, but only on the island. jack screaming about his dad in that hospital is a sign that's he's losing (lost?) it. but maybe he saw his father alive on the island (jacob?) and that is why he's confused (well, that and the pills).
btw: i rewatched some of the finale after my initial post. i'm not sure if jack says "neither" or "either" in the funeral parlor, so it could be ANYBODY in that casket.
also, after speaking with some coworkers, i don't think walt was really there. that was just one of those kooky island (jacob?) manifestations...
c'mon, chairman, what gives?
Well this season proves A) they are winging it and B) JJ was virtually never part of the show except for 2 episodes that he helped write.
I'm more on the plus then the negative side of this, mostly because Lost has hit such a rock bottom for me, almost anything has to be an improvement.
I knew for the very first moment that the flashback was a flash forward. One of is first words to the cell phone was "Kate" and he clearly didn't know her from the past. I actually thought Kate looked airbrushed, so she actually looked younger rather then older.
Although we didn't get any island reveals which I never expected, we do get some Others closure, which I was fully expecting. I either expected the others to take the lostees or the lostees to kill the others. Outside of Richard, Ben and Juliet, all the Others we knew of are now gone, Klugh, Mikail, Tom.
What I loved... Hurley rescue, Sayid as Jack Bauer, Charlie payoff, "That's for taking the boy", Danielle and Alex reunion.
What I disliked... Jack's acting though his freak out on Ben and Tom was fun. New flash forward mysteries... cause clearly the writers are running out of steam with people's backstories. Locke v Jack (c'mon Locke should have had the balls, I mean for godsakes he just murdered this woman he's never met in cold blood for holding a satellite phone... jack's got more on locke then she ever had... plus it would have relieved us of the misery of 3 jack backstories to every 1 for everyone else)
New Mysteries... Jack goes crazy Rush Limbaugh style and thinks his daddy is alive... or his dad is actually alive... Who is in the casket? I think you can add Michael to the list for that one and take out Sawyer (Kate's not that big of a bitch) but most likely Locke I'm guessing, who else would make Jack pull over and want to commit suicide over his decision to leave the island. well i guess ben but my hopes are his cold dead body never leaves the island. Who is Sarah's new hubby? Claire's ex who knocked her up making Sarah's kid and Claire's related?
What I expect to happen... either we start off island our real time with showing everyone's quest to get back which I think is not likely because the star of the show is the island, or like i said, role reversal is going to start to take place as invaders come and Lostees have to defend the island which will make the flash forwards not make sense. Either way, its going to be a rough course for the show.
Okay... I'm calmer now.
I thought the episode was AWESOME! I was on the edge of my seat the entire time. I never doubted for a moment that any one of these people could be killed. It was a real thriller for me.
Loved...
Jack's acting! I don't know why Silas and I are at odds on this, but I thought he ruled. So glad he didn't die. Loved Dark Sawyer, Hurley with the VW, "(sigh) Alex, this is your Mother", Sayid's finishing move, Walt, the look on Rousseau's face after she punched Ben... I could go on.
I only disliked 2 things in the episode. They are minor.
Why does Locke feel it's necessary to knife a seemingly innocent girl in the back, but can't kill the con man who stole his kidney and paralyzed him? More about this later.
After we find out that Sayid, Bernard and Jin are still alive, we learn that Henchman #1 made the decision not to shoot, and Tom was saying that they should have killed them. I thought it should have been the other way around. Those 7 dead men were Henchman #1's best men. They should have reversed the dialog, but no biggie.
So why am I pissed? Not one frakkin' answer. I'm not one of those answer freaks either... I fully understand that they will be revealed when the time is right. But the time was right last night to reveal who was in the goddamn boat. Was Ben telling the truth? Was there a point in Locke killing that girl in cold blood when he could have easily hit her in the leg, or god forbid shouted "she's a phoney"? We needed to know that immediately. Now we have to go on thinking that Locke is a complete and utter asshole for the next 7 months. All I needed was a quick shot of a guy on the boat twirling his mustache with a sinister laugh. Okay, maybe it's not that easy. Maybe it's part of next year's story that we don't quite know if they're Dharma or not. Fine. Throw me a bone. Show me who's in the casket. ANYTHING!
Part of the problem may be that my wife IMMEDIATELY knew the flashback was in the future. Don't know how she did it. Jack is sitting on the plane, it hits a turbulent, Jack seems disturbed by it, and Stef knows it's in the future. Nice. So the big twist at the end was lost on me. Is that why I feel cheated?
The ratio of questions to answers is so out of proportion now, it's ridiculous. They need to adjust this formula immediately. Of course, I'm not going anywhere. They have me hooked. If I'm still watching that steaming pile of dung called The Sopranos because I feel I'm invested in it, then Lost is going to have to get "Alias" bad before I bail.
i thought jack's acting was great. i was calling him "clooney morrison"...
sayid's finishing move was awesome, though i was hoping he was going to rip his shirt into a headband and cut up some others...
sayid: "i'm afraid your friends won't be joining you"
ben: "what's in the bag?"
sayid: "their balls"
so we all kind of figured (or at least i did) that the episode would result in the losties either getting off the island or becoming the new others, or both. so for this to be the "big twist" while not giving us ANY answers as to the nature of the island... that just sucks. so i felt cheated as well...
i have to wonder if the writers even know where this is going, or if they're going to spend the next 6 months figuring it out.
regardless, they need to pull it all together. this show is at a crossroads. if they deliver with a great season 3-6, the show will go down as one of the best ever. if they blow it, it'll be remembered as notoriously bad, and that's the end of the networks allowing this kind of multiple season geekery without meddling...
here's to hoping "clooney morrison" doesn't go down as lost's "jump the shark" episode...
but you gotta admire their balls, changing the format of the show midstream. very bold.
And I'm not sure you can end the series with Jack in the state he's in. That was some pretty dark stuff (along with Sawyer). I loved it, but I definitely think they'll have to move forward from Jack's flash forward toward some sort of semi-happy ending.
A lot of people are saying online that they think the show will now do flash forwards instead of flashbacks. I love that idea. I hope that's what happens, but they sprinkle in some necessary flashbacks as well (Ben, Dharma stuff, etc.). It gives them some nice flexibility.
So many new questions, and you now, I don't even feel like thinking about them. It's overload. And they haven't given us enough clues to figure them out... who's in the coffin, why did Jack say he was tired of lying, why does Jack want to go back... maybe Jack left his lucky gun on the island and can't live without it... the answers could be anything. Oh well. Still looking forward to next season, but with a little apprehension.
I got the impression that Jack was tired of lying about not knowing about the island. My impression is the new Dharma saves them and gives them the all you can eat Oceanic plane tickets.
I think after leaving the island, Jack loses the drive to save people like he had, but at the same time that is the part of him that kept him from committing suicide. He said he felt nothing for the people on the plane and he wished it would crash. He wants to feel needed again.
I think we're led to believe after coming back, Jack finds he truly has no one to come back to now that Sarah is gone, Kate has moved on, etc. I think we're led to believe the other survivors experience the same thing as no one visits the body in the funeral parlor.
You know for a split second when the finale started, I was worried we were going to see a parallel universe thing. Like we were going to see why there is another Flt 815 with no survivors. SO glad that didn't happen.
You know... there's been a lot of talk about the 815ers becoming the new "Others". We still don't really know why the Others are on that island. Maybe it's because they crashed here (the Black Rock), were rescued, and realized they had no one back in the real world. They came back to the island and have protected it ever since. Maybe that's what the 815ers will experience. Two flaws in this theory... if the crew of the Black Rock were to be rescued, they'd have some explaining to do about their ages... unless they claim to be their descendants. The other flaw is that this is the exact plot of Rescue from Gilligan's Island. Let's hope Gilligan and the Skipper aren't a major influence on this show.
There's been a lot of speculation over who Jack rescued from the car crash on the bridge. Silly me thought it was just a random person. I've heard theories that it was Juliet's sister and her son, Claire and Aaron... but the one I like best is that it was the woman that Sawyer conned and who was pregnant with his child.
I'd have to watch again, but I was pretty sure they gave her name.
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