After abandoning the Others, Locke takes Sawyer on a trek through the jungle to help him eliminate a common enemy. Meanwhile, back at the beach, the parachutist Naomi has crucial information about flight 815.
What is Jack and Juliet's big secret? Do they know something about the island, or about Naomi? If Naomi is one of the Others, why would she have a picture of Desmond and all of that info about Penelope? Maybe she intercepted the real search party and took someone's place? Can't wait to find out.
What does Rousseau want with dynamite? Planning a little rescue mission to get her daughter maybe? She's gonna mess things up. So is Sawyer with his new knowledge about Juliet. I bet she ends up dead.
And how about angry Sawyer this week. Good stuff.
Why the hell does Locke's Dad need to die in order for him to find his true destiny? This mystical crap is pissing me off. And how does Ben know this? I guess they just kidnapped Locke's Dad. I liked my theory better that he was on the plane. Oh well.
I love that no one trusts Jack. It just took a little time for US to find out. And how stupid is Kate for letting Juliet know about Naomi??!! I guess it will end up working out, but c'mon. Was anyone else screaming at the TV? Kevin?
I liked the episode but it didn't blow me away. I guess because it was so obvious that Cooper was the original Sawyer. Plus I didn't buy Cooper's constant fearlessness of the totally awkward situation. Plus his total admission to his past deeds. If I was a conman, I would have expected Cooper to try to con Sawyer into betraying Locke. The writers should have known we all saw the Cooper as the original Sawyer wasn't going to shock anyone, so they should have thrown in another Cooper surprise as well, but alas I feel like they just needed to resolve this storyline and be done with it. Redeem Sawyer so he can actually replace Jack as leader if need be.
I absolutely loved the Danielle/Locke scene. SO GOOD!
So we're back to Purgatory theory, huh? I guess the writers are pushing the whole plane crash actually occurred elsewhere thing, but its just too weird. How can the island/others grab people out of time and space? The implication in this episode is that Ben asks for the man from Tallahassee and gets him delivered (from Tallahassee) all within the same day. That's a pretty huge leap. It seems to imply that the Others could have stolen these survivors off the plane as well through island magic. Kind of a stupid deux ex machina going on.
You gotta love Sayid. The whole interaction seems to imply that Naomi is lying about something, but not lying about everything. I still think she's an Other from off island.
Yeah the Jack/Juliet secret bores me but whatever. The assumption for me is they are both hatching their own schemes and putting everyone in the middle in jeopardy.
This whole new development of cooper and the plane now makes me think that the 2 bodies Jack finds in the cave are going to be revealed as 2 of the last remaining survivors in some weird kind of time loop. I can buy it though. It could be done in a very tragic and poignant way.
Jack and Juliet? Sawyer and Kate? Jin and Sun? Desmond and Penelope?
Nice theory.
I think the writers are soooooooo messing with us ovr the purgatory/hell thing. No way.
I assumed that the man from Tallahassee was already on the island for some time... and Ben just refered to him like that because he knew Locke was hiding in the closet. I guess Ben realized Locke was special, and in order to find his destiny, he had to kill his father... so he took steps to make that happen. That being said, it's a crazy storyline. Why would Ben come up with that crazy line of thinking? Oh well.
I guess I see your point about Cooper being the original Sawyer, but I applaud them for not changing the story because some people figured it out. Remember, it's only us hardcore geeks who knew about it. Regular mortals were in the dark.
No, I still think they are implying that Cooper was only on the island in the last couple of days. He seems to claim he was in a car crash and ended up on the island. Ben keeps insisting that Locke brought him here even though he clearly ordered someone to retrieve the "Man from Tallahassee". I guess it could be an elaborate lie with Cooper working with Ben, but why would Cooper play along with his own death? I don't buy it. Cooper would have tried to con his way out of the situation.
I think we have to go with assumption that Cooper was telling the truth and he did magically appear on the island after the car crash.
I was kind of disappointed that we were given another Locke flashback so close to his last flashback.
I think next week is the episode we've all been waiting for since the discovery of Dharma. Just hope it will truly be satisfying.
Great episode. The show has really picked up momentum since the lame Nikki/Paulo Episode.
Yeah, i was yelling at the tv when Kate told Jack about the parachute chick. But I accept it because I think her feelings for him run deeper than she realized (until recently).
For the first time last night, I got the sense that Jack and Juliet are playing Ben AND Camp 815. Maybe Jack knows Juliet has been spying for Ben? I really can't tell. And what's their big secret? Do they know something about the Island's kooky physical properties (with regards to that phone/radio device), or about the parachute chick?
Is parachute chick in cahoots with Patchy? Did he know about the phone/radio device, and that's why he stole it? I'm not sold. I think parachute chick was actually hired by Penelope. But why hasn't she told Sayid and Desmond the "I'm not alone" tidbit that she said in Portuguese?
Should we read anything into Sayid (the communications expert) saying he had never seen technology as advanced as the phone/radio device?
Partial wreckage is one thing, but the entire plane at the bottom of the ocean with all the passengers? I think that tips the scale closer to "space/time shenanigans" as opposed to "Dharma cover-up." And I don't buy the purgatory theories. That would be lame (see also: DS9).
I think Cooper was out of character in the scene with Sawyer/James because he legitimately believed he was dead or in hell (or whatever). And, yeah, I think most people figured out Cooper was the original Sawyer last season. And I knew Locke was taking Sawyer to Cooper (not Ben) pretty early in last night's episode. But still, I loved the execution.
I've seen the "The two rotting corpses that Jack found are Jack and Kate" theories floating around for a while. I'm totally into it. Here's my take: Maybe the island sends them back (like Desmond) and they are the founders of Dharma. Maybe the guy from the introduction video is the son of Jin and Sun.
So are they setting up Locke to take over as leader of the others? I think so, and I hope Ben ends up an outcast (rather than dead). I'd hate to lose his character from the show.
Also, it's only a matter of time before either Charlie or Desmond get killed. One of them has to fulfill the "dead Charlie" destiny, and I hope it's Charlie...
Hey, if Patchy can come back from the dead, does that mean we'll get more Clancy Brown??? Fingers crossed...
I just came up with an insane theory that I haven't heard before (but maybe you have). The island is "powered" by a human brain... not in a jar or anything... but a human mind is at the heart of everything. That human is Jacob. He's in control, but he's gone wrong. Ben wants Locke to be the new Jacob. Too Galactica?
Should we read anything into Sayid (the communications expert) saying he had never seen technology as advanced as the phone/radio device?
Yes! Unless the producers are messing with us again. Wouldn't it be cool if Naomi tells everyone they've been missing for years instead of months.
I just saw a post on another board that disproves the "time running at different rates" theory. Makes sense...
ElPaw says... It has been proven that there is no time dilation. An internal clock (Juliet's count of how long she has been on the island) is synchronised with an external clock (the time difference between 2001, when Juliet came to the island, and 2004, when the plane crashed). They both agree with each other, so time on the island passes at the same rate as time off the island. (end El Paw)
Maybe the time displacement starts when the hatch blows? Grasping?
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I hate them for ending it there.
What is Jack and Juliet's big secret? Do they know something about the island, or about Naomi? If Naomi is one of the Others, why would she have a picture of Desmond and all of that info about Penelope? Maybe she intercepted the real search party and took someone's place? Can't wait to find out.
What does Rousseau want with dynamite? Planning a little rescue mission to get her daughter maybe? She's gonna mess things up. So is Sawyer with his new knowledge about Juliet. I bet she ends up dead.
And how about angry Sawyer this week. Good stuff.
Why the hell does Locke's Dad need to die in order for him to find his true destiny? This mystical crap is pissing me off. And how does Ben know this? I guess they just kidnapped Locke's Dad. I liked my theory better that he was on the plane. Oh well.
I love that no one trusts Jack. It just took a little time for US to find out. And how stupid is Kate for letting Juliet know about Naomi??!! I guess it will end up working out, but c'mon. Was anyone else screaming at the TV? Kevin?
I liked the episode but it didn't blow me away. I guess because it was so obvious that Cooper was the original Sawyer. Plus I didn't buy Cooper's constant fearlessness of the totally awkward situation. Plus his total admission to his past deeds. If I was a conman, I would have expected Cooper to try to con Sawyer into betraying Locke. The writers should have known we all saw the Cooper as the original Sawyer wasn't going to shock anyone, so they should have thrown in another Cooper surprise as well, but alas I feel like they just needed to resolve this storyline and be done with it. Redeem Sawyer so he can actually replace Jack as leader if need be.
I absolutely loved the Danielle/Locke scene. SO GOOD!
So we're back to Purgatory theory, huh? I guess the writers are pushing the whole plane crash actually occurred elsewhere thing, but its just too weird. How can the island/others grab people out of time and space? The implication in this episode is that Ben asks for the man from Tallahassee and gets him delivered (from Tallahassee) all within the same day. That's a pretty huge leap. It seems to imply that the Others could have stolen these survivors off the plane as well through island magic. Kind of a stupid deux ex machina going on.
You gotta love Sayid. The whole interaction seems to imply that Naomi is lying about something, but not lying about everything. I still think she's an Other from off island.
Yeah the Jack/Juliet secret bores me but whatever. The assumption for me is they are both hatching their own schemes and putting everyone in the middle in jeopardy.
This whole new development of cooper and the plane now makes me think that the 2 bodies Jack finds in the cave are going to be revealed as 2 of the last remaining survivors in some weird kind of time loop. I can buy it though. It could be done in a very tragic and poignant way.
Ooh... last 2 survivors =
Jack and Juliet?
Sawyer and Kate?
Jin and Sun?
Desmond and Penelope?
Nice theory.
I think the writers are soooooooo messing with us ovr the purgatory/hell thing. No way.
I assumed that the man from Tallahassee was already on the island for some time... and Ben just refered to him like that because he knew Locke was hiding in the closet. I guess Ben realized Locke was special, and in order to find his destiny, he had to kill his father... so he took steps to make that happen. That being said, it's a crazy storyline. Why would Ben come up with that crazy line of thinking? Oh well.
I guess I see your point about Cooper being the original Sawyer, but I applaud them for not changing the story because some people figured it out. Remember, it's only us hardcore geeks who knew about it. Regular mortals were in the dark.
No, I still think they are implying that Cooper was only on the island in the last couple of days. He seems to claim he was in a car crash and ended up on the island. Ben keeps insisting that Locke brought him here even though he clearly ordered someone to retrieve the "Man from Tallahassee". I guess it could be an elaborate lie with Cooper working with Ben, but why would Cooper play along with his own death? I don't buy it. Cooper would have tried to con his way out of the situation.
I think we have to go with assumption that Cooper was telling the truth and he did magically appear on the island after the car crash.
I was kind of disappointed that we were given another Locke flashback so close to his last flashback.
I think next week is the episode we've all been waiting for since the discovery of Dharma. Just hope it will truly be satisfying.
Great episode. The show has really picked up momentum since the lame Nikki/Paulo Episode.
Yeah, i was yelling at the tv when Kate told Jack about the parachute chick. But I accept it because I think her feelings for him run deeper than she realized (until recently).
For the first time last night, I got the sense that Jack and Juliet are playing Ben AND Camp 815. Maybe Jack knows Juliet has been spying for Ben? I really can't tell. And what's their big secret? Do they know something about the Island's kooky physical properties (with regards to that phone/radio device), or about the parachute chick?
Is parachute chick in cahoots with Patchy? Did he know about the phone/radio device, and that's why he stole it? I'm not sold. I think parachute chick was actually hired by Penelope. But why hasn't she told Sayid and Desmond the "I'm not alone" tidbit that she said in Portuguese?
Should we read anything into Sayid (the communications expert) saying he had never seen technology as advanced as the phone/radio device?
Partial wreckage is one thing, but the entire plane at the bottom of the ocean with all the passengers? I think that tips the scale closer to "space/time shenanigans" as opposed to "Dharma cover-up." And I don't buy the purgatory theories. That would be lame (see also: DS9).
I think Cooper was out of character in the scene with Sawyer/James because he legitimately believed he was dead or in hell (or whatever). And, yeah, I think most people figured out Cooper was the original Sawyer last season. And I knew Locke was taking Sawyer to Cooper (not Ben) pretty early in last night's episode. But still, I loved the execution.
I've seen the "The two rotting corpses that Jack found are Jack and Kate" theories floating around for a while. I'm totally into it. Here's my take: Maybe the island sends them back (like Desmond) and they are the founders of Dharma. Maybe the guy from the introduction video is the son of Jin and Sun.
So are they setting up Locke to take over as leader of the others? I think so, and I hope Ben ends up an outcast (rather than dead). I'd hate to lose his character from the show.
Also, it's only a matter of time before either Charlie or Desmond get killed. One of them has to fulfill the "dead Charlie" destiny, and I hope it's Charlie...
Hey, if Patchy can come back from the dead, does that mean we'll get more Clancy Brown??? Fingers crossed...
I just came up with an insane theory that I haven't heard before (but maybe you have). The island is "powered" by a human brain... not in a jar or anything... but a human mind is at the heart of everything. That human is Jacob. He's in control, but he's gone wrong. Ben wants Locke to be the new Jacob. Too Galactica?
Should we read anything into Sayid (the communications expert) saying he had never seen technology as advanced as the phone/radio device?
Yes! Unless the producers are messing with us again. Wouldn't it be cool if Naomi tells everyone they've been missing for years instead of months.
I just saw a post on another board that disproves the "time running at different rates" theory. Makes sense...
ElPaw says...
It has been proven that there is no time dilation. An internal clock (Juliet's count of how long she has been on the island) is synchronised with an external clock (the time difference between 2001, when Juliet came to the island, and 2004, when the plane crashed). They both agree with each other, so time on the island passes at the same rate as time off the island. (end El Paw)
Maybe the time displacement starts when the hatch blows? Grasping?
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