Wednesday, May 9, 2007
The Man Behind The Curtain
Ben unwillingly divulges information to Locke about the island, taking him on a journey to various locations including strange monuments and the mysterious Jacob. Back at the beach, Juliet's secret is revealed. Flashbacks will show us the origins of DHARMA and the history of the island, including 'the purge'.
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So what the HELL is going on? Here are some incoherent thoughts and questions...
The Hostiles don't age, but Dharma does? Fountain of Youth?
Is Ben the only one of the Others who can see dead people? Does that make him special in their eyes? Richard seemed impressed that little Ben saw his dead mother.
Is Jacob responsible for the accelerated healing? Ben did say to Locke "Well I hope Jacob helps YOU" after he shot him.
Roger Workman was a dick.
Ben is a maniac. Why would he let Anne (his little girlfriend) die in the massacre. We haven't seen Anne on the island in the present day, have we?
Do you think Locke will die? If the island can heal patchy, it sure as hell can heal Locke. Or maybe the bullet needs to be removed.
Did anyone get an "Evil Dead" vibe from Jacob in the house? I would have laughed if it wasn't so damn creepy.
If The Hostiles wiped out Dharma, why were the food drops still continued? Was that Patchy's doing? He did say he was Dharma. If he was the only link to the outside world, he could have made it seem things were still operating.
Why were The Hostiles and Dharma at war?
I could go on all night. Next.
Looks like Jacob was visible for 1 frame. Here's a link...
http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jacobid0.png
Just had an interesting thought. I couldn't understand all the mumbo jumbo about Locke needing to kill his Dad to "be worthy". But that's exactly what Ben did. Is that how he became worthy? Or maybe crazy Ben just thinks that's the key to communicating with Jacob. Eitherway, it looks like Locke couldn't see Jacob because he really didn't kill his father.
What was the ring of "ash" around Jacob's cabin? I've been hearing it's the sleeping smoke monster, or magic powder to keep Jacob inside. My theory... Rousseau opened up some dynamite and is planning a surprise.
Somebody mentioned that Annie (Ben's little girlfriend) is Rousseau. Seems so damn obvious now, but where did she get the accent from? This could mean that Alex is really Ben's daughter. It would also mean that Rousseau is a liar. Does anyone remember her account of how she arrived on the island?
i...have no idea what's going on. next week the plane surviviors battle the others, and then locke shows up for the finale to unite the tribes?
why is it that so many characters have severe dady issues (kate, sawyer, locke, jack, ben), and so many of them have had visions of people (or, with kate, a horse)who weren't there? eko had visions as well, though no known daddy issues...
what was richard wearing when he found young ben in the woods? if richard isn't aging, how old is he? did he arrive on the slave ship?
if jacob is a ghost, why did alex give john a gun? and if babies really can't be born on the island, than ben isn't alex's real father...
i'd like that image of jacob to look like christian shepherd, but it looks more like danny trip from studio 60...
clearly, i'm grasping at straws...
Ben's Mom dies during childbirth off the island. Is it a coincidence that it's now happening on the island to EVERY Mom? This show has more layers than an Eskimo stripper!
Identity of Jacob?
http://www.thehansofoundation.org/
Oh where to begin...
Great episode.
Was that Cindy in the beginning putting the lay on Ben. I think it was...
Richard and Cindy must be "the hostiles" which we're led to believe were the natives on the island. They don't seem to age, so fountain of youth or time anomaly is still in play. I'm guessing the hostiles is next season. I like that they are re-incorporating the whispering. Seems like they are Jacob and his ilk whispering.
I'm guessing the hostiles will not be native to the island, but maybe Jacob is.
I definitely think the powder was Danielle's doing. I thought she could be Annie too, but it just wouldn't make sense with the accent and the birthing. Maybe she's a hostile too. I could definitely see a twist where Alex is Annie/Ben's child but some reason makes Danielle think it's hers. Annie definitely means Ben won't die. He now has another backstory lined up to explain what happened to her.
Seeing dead people makes you special. Has Locke seen a dead person? Jack and Eko definitely have (Hurley, kind of).
Anyone think Marvin Candle is going to show up on the island at some point?
Anyone worried that Sawyer has both redeemed himself and wrapped up his find his parent's killer quest means that he's expendable? Plus you hook up and become happy generally means you die. He's not happy, but he's got his girl and is almost leader of the camp. Things are going too well for him to not become extremely tragic.
I do like the Ben's Mom dying leading to mother's on the island dying, but it seems like they die earlier then 7 months.
You think this no aging is going to come into play with Walt aging if he comes back?
chairmen: rousseau doesn't look anything like annie, plus there's the accent. but maybe she left the island prior to the hostiles wiping out dharma. maybe she was raised abroad, picked up the accent, and returned on a scientific ship per her story in season 1.
nice call with ben's mom dying in her 7th month, and now women can't survie past the 7th month of pregnancy on the island. maybe ben is subconsciously subjecting the island to his own childhood trauma. and that's why jacob needs locke's help.
great catch with rousseau and the dynamite. my initial reaction was that the powder was some kind of magic dust to keep jacob within the house. it could be smokey, but the dynamite theory is the most plausible.
silas:
"Has Locke seen a dead person?"
didn't locke see boone after he had died?
i like your sawyer theory. i had thought that the writers were setting him up to be the new leader so they could kill off jack in the finale, but at this point sawyer dying would be more tragic. either way, it would take HUGE balls for the writers to kill off either character.
Jack is totally expendable now. They've set this up for sawyer to be the reluctant hero. Jack is pissing off viewers, but will redeem himself with some selfless act that will save everyone. Plus, Juliet can be the new Doctor.
Who's Cindy again. Isn't she the Stewardess? I always assumed she had been abducted and "Turned into" an other. Was she planted in the tallies camp? Great, now I have to stop working and go watch that part again.
Has anyone slo-moed the "Jacob freakout"? It's damn spooky. They show a close-up of his eye at one point which sends chills down my spine.
Ken said...
maybe ben is subconsciously subjecting the island to his own childhood trauma. and that's why jacob needs locke's help.
Maybe Ben's id is controlling the island. Wasn't there mention of the id at some point in this show? Silas?
Yeah, the more I think about it the more I don't like Rousseau = Annie. I think Ken's right about setting up another backstory for Ben.
Random rants and ravings:
Don't forget Jack chased his dead father around the island in season one (and found an EMPTY casket.)
Totally creeped out by the whole Jacob encounter.
Who knew a flashlight would piss a ghost off so much.
So because Ben saw his dead mother the Hostiles
made him their leader? I don't get it. Did Locke see
the flash of Jacob that we saw? You know Locke will survive.
At one point Danny (later shot by Juliet) said "Shepard wasn't even on Jacob's list" when he was heading out to kill Sawyer.
Will somebody smack Jack in the mouth already? I mean really. Some muscular dude with huge hands needs to run out of the jungle and smack Jack in the mouth 2 or 3 times and then run back into the jungle.
The whole Dharma and the Hostiles thing. I just don't get it.
BIBLICAL RANTINGS:
by Jeff Jensen
(full context found here: http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,1566980,00.html)
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,1566980,00.html)
Jacob had many more claims to biblical fame than just seeing visions of ladders. This was the dude who robbed his brother Esau out of his birthright, the dude who wrestled with an angel (and won!), and most intriguingly, the dude who sired the 12 boys who would form the 12 tribes of Israel.
According to the Bible, most of Jacob's sons weren't exactly the nicest kids. After all, they got so jealous of their brother Joseph (think: Desmond), they threw him into a pit (think: The Hatch), told Dad he had been killed, and sold him into slavery. (Theory: Mr. Widmore, hatching schemes and telling lies to keep Des and Pen apart.) By the way, Joseph turned out just fine, as he became tight with the ruler of Egypt thanks to his... supernatural ability to interpret the future from weird dreams. (Again, I say: DESMOND!)
But besides Joseph, there was another Son of Jacob who was a pretty good egg. In fact, he was Joseph's favorite brother. His name?
BENJAMIN.
Wow, that Bible stuff is cool. And I forgot it was Jacob's list. Or is it. Maybe it's Ben's list and he's just telling everyone that Jacob made it.
For all of Jacob's bluster, it didn't really seem like he was in control. Ben almost treated him like a child when he grabbed the chair and said "Enough Jacob... you've had your fun".
To bring up the Alex and the gun, my only interpretation I can make is that you're led to believe she's rebelling against her dad. But the scene seems to imply, she's helping her dad set Locke up by bringing in technology to the shack to disturb Jacob. That or she knew Ben would kill Locke, but I can't see why she would want Locke to shoot her dad.
When Locke saw Boone, wasn't it a dream? It wasn't Boone on the island leading like the other ghost, right?
My guess is that if you see Ghosts, it means you can tap into the island's powers ala the box which I guess most people can't do, which thereby gives you a certain right to lead the Others, hence why although Richard is a hostile, he doesn't lead nor tries to, but clearly Ben is threatened in terms of leadership by Locke.
I can't figure out why Alex would HELP her Dad either... given what they did to her boyfriend. After Alex gave Locke the gun, she turned to leave, stopped and said "Happy Birthday Dad." She was either sincere and helping her Dad... knowing that Locke and Ben can't both be in control... or she was sticking it to him. How did Ben end up with the gun anyway? There was only one gun, right?
Don't know if this means anything, but Ben's Mom was named Emily. So was Locke's Mom. Kinda ties into that Bible passage that Kevin posted... brothers and such.
I think this person (SB from the 4815162342.com forums) has the best theoryso far on the Ben?Jacob thing...
My theory: the Others/hostiles have been waiting for some person to fulfill some prophecy. They knew it would be someone who would come to them from off the island, maybe someone who would kill their father, someone who would be able to communicate with Jacob. When Ben came to them, they thougth Ben was the one they had been waiting for.
They took Ben to Jacob's house and Ben went in. Being the liar he is, he said "Yup, I saw and heard him, he told me I'm in charge of you guys." But he never saw or heard anything. All these years he's been playing the rest of the Others and basking in his power.
When Ben took Locke there he played the part for him, acting like "What, you can't see him?" and secretly felt relieved that Locke was not the prophecied person they had been waiting for and Ben was not in danger of being revealed as the fraud (man behind the curtain) that he is.
But then Locke did hear him. And Ben knew that Locke could not go back to the Others' camp and tell them what he heard or saw. So...bullet to the chest.
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So lots of people can see visions, but only one can see Jacob. And it's eventually going to be Locke... because even though he didn't physically kill his father, he had it done.
okay, last post of the night. Can anyone confirm the following? Apparently, Anthony Cooper said "I didn't raise no dummies" (plural) just before Sawyer chocked him. People are latching onto that as proof that Locke has a twin brother and it's Jacob. Don't know if I buy it.
Well the Emily thing, we already know Locke's mom is Swoozie Kurtz, but maybe that was another con and Cooper hired her because the real Emily was dead after Ben. Still I doubt it.
Cooper seemed to imply he got around and also asked James if he was his dad or something. I think Cooper assumes or knows he has knocked up a couple of gals and may have tons of kids.
I guess Sawyer has a child and that hasn't wrapped up. I guess that can save him from being killed off.
The only way Sawyer and/or Locke can die is if they want out of their contracts for some reason. I know Terry O'Quinn (Locke) was unhappy with the way his character was going, but after reading these scripts, he'd be an idiot to want to get out.
leo said:
"Ben takes Locke into the cabin to meet Jacob, who is supposedly the man with all the answers. He puts the lit lantern on the table, and in the ensuing chaos, the lantern is knocked over and a fire starts. However, when they exit the cabin, there is no fire and Ben hangs the lantern back on the peg outside the cabin. Did anyone else notice that?"
here's my response:
is it possible that ben is somehow holding jacob prisoner? maybe jacob is stuck in some kind of rift in space/time, or he is insubstantial due to some wacky "philadelphia experiment" gone awry, and he needs to absorb energy (fire & electricity) to escape. so what we saw was partially an act on ben's part... but then locke turning on the flashlight gave jacob the power to knock over the latern, which then gave jacob the power to toss ben. and maybe whatever rousseau is doing with the gunpowder is designed to release jacob so he can kick ben's ass...
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